Would you be able to identify this bird from a description?

by Gunnar Engblom on April 4, 2009

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The camera never lies

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In spite that a description of a bird seen by a beginner is no better than this out of focus photograph, I seem to have a hard time to get my mind across to the experienced birder with my recent blog post "How to become birdwatcher in the 21st century", in which I promote beginner birders to choose a camera and internet connection before binoculars, pad and field guide.

- Nah, nothing beats binoculars - I would not trade them for a camera. You're not really a birdwatcher unless you have binoculars!

That is the voice of the veterans, while several birding neophytes have admited on this blog that it was exactly the possiblity to photograph the birds and then find out what they were, that got them into birding in the first place. Digital photography is revolutionizing for nature studies. Three years ago, I set up a butterfly-watching trip for Kim Garret and her friends in Central Peru. I was imagining that I was in for a group of geeks running around with butterfly nets and cold-boxes to get them into study position. Much to my surprise, no geeks at all! They used digital cameras with large aperture lenses and good macro funtions and tried to photograph as many as they possibly could during their nature watching holiday in Peru. They sometimes did not have clue what they were looking at, but had ways to identify the butterflies back home going through all sort of literature and sending pictures to museums and collectors that maybe could help out with the identification. This way they could be re-living the trip for several months. This was my first exposure to this technique. I was fascinated, even though I did not think for a moment that the same technique could be applied to birding and new birders.
In many senses these quite experienced butterfly-watchers went through the same stage as a beginner birder. Many of the butterflies they photographed were completely new to them and there is no representative field guide to the butterflies of Peru. So they were almost as neophytes in Peruvian butterflies as a beginner birder would period. Since then I have recently come to realize that the photos in birding makes the difference.

Can you identify this bird:

Three weeks ago, I went to a park in La Molina in Lima in search

for a White-crested Elaenia, which had been reported earlier in the week, but unfortunately could not be found again. Instead we saw a mystery bird!

Had a beginner birdwatcher tried to explain what he had seen very well in the city park - he would have said.
It was a small all black bird with lots of white in the wings.

The only bird in Lima that is completely black with with in the wings would be a Blue-black Grasquit, except that the white is only the under wing-coverts and only obvious in flight if you catch glimpses of the underwing. Furthermore, the local ssp of Blue-black Grassquit seems never to become completely black, but retains some brown feathers in the plumage even as adults.

Partially albinistic melanistic form of Vermilion Flycatcher

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Partially albinistic melanistic form of Vermilion Flycatcher

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Partially albinistic melanistic morf of Vermilion Flycatcher - note the symetrical white primaries on both wings!

The melanistic form of Vermilion Flycatcher is very common in Lima city. I have sometimes seen individuals with one or two white feathers in the plumage, but this it the first time I have seen something this symmetrical.

So hand on the heart experienced birders, would you have identified this bird only on the description? Pretty hopeless for the beginner birders, when birds like this occur in a Lima park - surely he would not find it in the book.
Photos all taken with Fuji Finepix S2000 10 MP 15x zoom, which costs less than 200 US$. Now you tell me. Camera or binoculars for the beginner birder?

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  • Drew

    This is an easy answer. BINOCULARS. It's true that some people may be able to start birdwatching through photography but I have witnessed quite a few people who start relying on the camera and never gain the skills to actually identify the birds themselves. They lack the experience to interpret what they see in the photo and what they see in the bird book. If they aren't observing the bird in motion, they are missing quite alot of the necessary info needed for an idea. From experience, advising beginning birders to use a camera instead of bins is terrible advice.

    Of course there will be birds that they can not identify. That is birding. And a camera may be the spark that gets someone interested, but it would definitely be a crutch for them to rely on the camera for later id.

  • http://featherflower.blogspot.com/ noflickster

    Interesting position, Gunnar, but I'll propose that binoculars should be favored by a beginning birdwatcher over camera for a very simple reason: beginning birdwatchers aren't there to document rarities, but to learn how to identify (and appreciate) what they are seeing. The goal for a beginning birdwatcher should be to gain experience. At that stage of their birding career beginners should focus on learning behaviors, structure, plumage, etc. and how they differ between (and within) a species. The role of the beginner is not to merely provide adequate documentation for more experienced birders, but to become an experienced birdwatcher. When you're just starting out it's not unreasonable to expect not all observations will be identified to species; that's fine. Frustrating, sure, but expected. Unexpected/interesting sightings may go undocumented (many do every day, I'm sure), and that's fine. Once beginning birdwatchers learn enough to determine they are seeing something unexpected should this question arise.

    -Mike

  • http://101digitalphotography.com David Cooper

    Binoculars may be wonderful for birdwatching. However capturing that bird in the moment is just beyond description for me. Just looking through a glass and seeing it for yourself is, well, not statisfying for me. The other thing is that you can tell anyone that you saw a bird..... BUT if you capture that moment on film or digital imaging you can show them EXACTLY what you saw. For me I love to share with others what I have seen so they can experience it for themselves.

    David Cooper

  • http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com Gunnar Engblom

    Hi Drew
    Well that is another issue. I did not say they were to become good birders (more work for the bird guides in the future, right...hehehe!).
    Joke apart, if we are looking for the a strategy to get more people interest in birding I think giving these fantastically inexpensive gadgets a chance and priority we could increase membership in many birding clubs around. It becomes less geeky with a camera - to start with - and it brings the newbie over many beginners hurdles. When I first started birding I felt pretty useless when on my own. Without, the excursion leaders on the birdwalks, I would have been completely loss. I had the possibility to do a lot of excursions in a relatively short time and thus I learnt quickly, but if that is not the case to keep up the interest between the times you can be guided a camera is far superior to the binoculars. And it aids in the first learning process. This process will reach a second level once the incipient birder also starts birding with bins - I am not arguing against that....My point is that with cameras to start with, we can become more birders.
    If I have struck some kind of truth here.....(this is still pretty much a hunch to me)....then the whole recruitment strategy of birdclubs should be changed...??
    I am a bit shocked myself at my conclusions....and I may be wrong....but I see too many convincing cases ... to lead me think that the last 3 years we have gotten more new bird photographers than birdwatchers in the classical sense - and if so.... time to use that as a strategy to become more birders.

  • http://monarchbfly.com mon@rch

    Nice bird . . . ! Would have loved the challenge with it!

  • http://www.peregrinesbirdblog.blogspot.com Craig Nash

    Interesting question. I think Binoculars first and then Camera. When you think of it the digital age is only a fairly recent phenomenon; so what did we do before. However last year I travelled to Namibia and as a fairly keen Birder as well as Photographer I took alot of photographs of birds which I spent my evenings trying to identify and if I didnt have the camera I would have not been able to identify as many as I did.

    However for a beginner I think I would choose binoculars over the camera as it forces them into looking more carefully at the bird rather than pointing the camera and thinking yes I have seen that now.

    My tuppence worth!

  • richcat

    Need help identifying a bird. This bird or rather these birds (about 20 of them high in a tree) were approx 8-10 inches, dark brown wings, chest and underparts were black with a bluish hue and had white streaks/spots, black head, long bill which curved downward, tail was short and blunt semi V'ed. Loud squawking voice. I have a picture of some of them in flight, but it really isn't that good, however I could submit it if need be. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cathy

  • YC

    I love this piece. Hardcore twitchers in my part of the world are sticking to their bins. They refuse to embrace technology and take a camera into the field. The absence of an image ensures their sightings of rarities cannot be disputed, especially when the Records Committees are not as transparent as it is supposed to be.

  • http://flickr.com/photos/andysbirds Andy Johnson

    Binoculars first! I agree with your point that a camera can gain someone's interest, but I'm not convinced it's that much of a different interest spark than good optics. When you're looking through the electronic viewfinders on those cheap superzooms, you are not really seeing a bird. You're already seeing a picture, and one at a terrible resolution (not that the camera takes bad pictures, but the viewfinder does not well represent that image). So, what I'm saying is, showing random passerbys a cool bird through a bright scope, or handing over your binoculars gets a lot of oohs and ahhs as well. And you simply cannot learn how to identify birds in the field without binoculars, and I say this not as some old-school geezer, but a 17 year old birder and photographer. You may (very gradually) learn field marks of birds whose photos you have captured, or maybe some of the ubiquitous species in your area, but you can't make true observations through the viewfinder of a camera...especially an EVF on point and shoots. Identifying and understanding birds is about WAY more than the field marks, and you need to observe clearly through optics get an accurate grasp on movements and how posture determines shape and structure, etc.

    HOWEVER, I agree that cameras and their photographs are very important tools for sharing, sparking interest, and documentation. Granted, I have seen myself begin to more closely study the birds I had previously overlooked when the opportunity came to get great photos of them. So I think you're certainly making an interesting point. I still maintain though that optics are necessary for learning.

    My 89 cents,
    Andy

  • etudiant

    You are on to something! The progress in digital cameras in the past few years plus the emergence of all sorts of handy digital bird data storage devices, with images, sound and detailed comment is transforming our hobby. Superzoom cameras really help with picture taking for ID purposes, regardless of their deficiencies vis a vis professional photographs. That opens the door to a new approach to birding, as you suggest. The price may be that the new model birder sees mostly the images, rather than as previously living birds through binoculars in vivid detail. Maybe that will appeal to a new set of observers, as well as expand the options for everyone else.

  • http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com Gunnar Engblom

    Sorry folks for not having pitched in with a comment here for some time. I happy that this old blogpost still attracts some readers.

    @richcat. You could maybe upload the pic somewhere. Maybe you have a Facebook account, and better still a Flickr account? It is hard from your description. Somewhat easier if you tell us where you saw this bird.

    @Craig, @YC, @Andy, @etudiant I think we basically agree that binoculars give a better birding experience. However, we are talking people who are not birders yet. How do we catch their interest best? If they go to the park with their binoculars and see a bird and try to describe it, you will often have a terrible time to try to desipher what they saw. And when you tell them, it sounds like a Robin, they will say. "Oh, no! Not a Robin. I know how that looks like!" After zillions of incidents like this, they will soon get bored. However, with photographs they take something home at the end of the day.
    Now to become a good birder, they will have to start using their binoculars - or hire a good guide!!
    I think, the digital revolution in photography will see more birdwatchers evolving -and it is a chance to get the young generation into nature studies. The bird clubs would be smart to embrace this.

  • http://monarchbfly.com/ mon@rch

    Nice bird . . . ! Would have loved the challenge with it!

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